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Re: VMware - FIX FUSION 3 - NOW!!!!!!

90. Nov 7, 2009 7:01 PM in response to: ewestby
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Dec 6, 2008
mean and probably inappropriate, but that was really funny. thanks.

Re: VMware - FIX FUSION 3 - NOW!!!!!!

91. Nov 8, 2009 4:27 AM in response to: francis.carden
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Nov 8, 2009
I can confirm the extreme slowness and bad performance of Fusion 3. This was no issue using prior versions. I run a:

Model Name: MacBook Pro
Model Identifier: MacBookPro5,2
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2,66 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 6 MB
Memory: 4 GB
Bus Speed: 1,07 GHz

Part of the slowness seemed to result from extreme disk activity. The harddisk just keeps on rattling. This not only slows down my VM, but every other application of my MacBook.

I really hope that VMWare will fix this issue. Meanwhile I will downgraded to my previous Fusion 2 version.

After downgrading (Version 2.0.6 (196839)) everything ran at full speed again.The difference was immense!!

The net result being:

  • I spent about 40 euro
  • I spent about an hour getting the serial number, even getting the serial number was slow;-(
  • I spent a couple of hours going through different suggested solutions:
    • Uninstalling and installing Fusion 3 -> did not help
    • Unintstalling and installing Fusion Tools -> did not help
    • Trying different settings of virtualization instead of default automatic -> did not help

So, all in all rather a disappointment. There has to be a major flaw the version 3!!

Re: VMware - FIX FUSION 3 - NOW!!!!!!

92. Nov 8, 2009 6:56 PM in response to: ewestby
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Apr 16, 2007
Nah ... forget that. I actually bothered to look at man top and found it was an indicator for a 32 bit process.

What made me think that was that I saw VMWare Fusion in the list even after I quit the app.

Re: VMware - FIX FUSION 3 - NOW!!!!!!

93. Nov 9, 2009 5:51 PM in response to: francis.carden
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Nov 9, 2009

I've also experienced the extreme slow down going from Fusion 2 to Fusion 3. It takes a solid 3-5 minutes now to bring my XP vm out of a saved session state and anytime i'm running a vm now the rest of my mac become unresponsive until I shutdown the vm. It probably takes 3x that for my WIndows 7 vm. Kind of ridiculous when it use to be up in running in less than a minute on Fusion 2.

Model Name: iMac
Model Identifier: iMac8,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.8 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 6 MB
Memory: 4 GB
Bus Speed: 1.07 GHz
Boot ROM Version: IM81.00C1.B00
SMC Version (system): 1.30f1

Re: VMware - FIX FUSION 3 - NOW!!!!!!

94. Nov 9, 2009 6:29 PM in response to: MrRoo
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Nov 9, 2009
Just installed 10.6.2 update. Don't want to get too excited just yet but my saved state resume times have improved greatly and overall system stability seems to be good right now with a vm running in the background. Hopefully this resolves it **fingers crossed**

Re: VMware - FIX FUSION 3 - NOW!!!!!!

95. Nov 9, 2009 6:53 PM in response to: EricMoore
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Oct 14, 2007
Yeah, Me too. After upgrading F3 was really fast running solid works. Now after a slow degrade the mouse is crazy and the VM is running slower and slower. Moved to a newly created Vm (XP SP3) on a different disk and the same thing is happening. It looks like F3 is a bit of a Trojan horse.
Too late to go back to F2, cannot use F3. I guess SUN VB wins the reliability trophy. Shame, shame, shame.

Hurry up with a fix or I am outta here.

Re: VMware - FIX FUSION 3 - NOW!!!!!!

96. Nov 9, 2009 11:25 PM in response to: matthewls
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Dec 22, 2004
I'd run k64 if I could, but my 3.1 MBP won't.

You can run k64 in a VM on your 3.1 MBP if you want.

Re: VMware - FIX FUSION 3 - NOW!!!!!!

97. Nov 10, 2009 12:03 AM in response to: EricMoore
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Nov 13, 2007

Hi,

I would like to add my voice to those of the people who have already responded to this issue. I have been using Fusion 2.0 for about a year on a 2.2 GHz MacBook, 4 GB RAM. It ran pretty well, including with Windows 7. I can't figure out how Fusion 3.0 is supposed to be an upgrade...it's slower, and I haven't figured out how to stop it from displaying the window for the first listed vm -- very annoying. What about the 3.0 product makes it an upgrade?

Don

Re: VMware - FIX FUSION 3 - NOW!!!!!!

98. Nov 10, 2009 12:54 AM in response to: LadueSys
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Dec 22, 2004
it's slower,

Can you please describe what you do when you notice that it is slower? Have you tried uninstalling the v2 tools and installing the v3 tools as a fix that others have suggested in this thread?

I haven't figured out how to stop it from displaying the window for the first listed vm -- very annoying.

Again, please describe exactly what you do, what is happening, and what you expect instead. Fusion 3 simply remembers the state of a VM window across invokations. So if you don't want a VM's window to appear when you launch Fusion 3, just close that window before exiting Fusion 3

Re: VMware - FIX FUSION 3 - NOW!!!!!!

99. Nov 10, 2009 1:47 AM in response to: HPReg
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Nov 13, 2007

Hi,

I shut down all virtual machines before upgrading to Fusion 3. On boot-up, the new vmware 3.0 tools were installed. Is there some reason that the vmware tools 2.0 need to be uninstalled first? Perhaps you can make the tools installer take care of that issue.

The VMs are slower to load. Once the progress bar runs its course, the Macintosh "spinning pizza" takes over. Fusion 2.0 did not cause the pizza to appear, and the pizza seems to prevent the user from doing anything else (outside of Fusion 3).

The Fusion 3 application is more sluggish to quit (File -> Quit).

Regarding the reappearance of the window for the last VM used, this behavior appears to be new. Preventing it is not an option in the preferences or the Window menu. It's confusing. Why did you need to make this change?

Thank you,

Don


Re: VMware - FIX FUSION 3 - NOW!!!!!!

100. Nov 10, 2009 4:07 AM in response to: LadueSys
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Apr 3, 2009
I can confirm this behaviour has not changed since Fusion 2 where you can set a vm to start when starting Fusion. The last opened window will also be remembered when quitting and reloaded when you start Fusion. This behaviour is something that if I recall correctly has been the case from the beginning (2 years ago). It is actually correct OS X behaviour to do so.

Btw, you're the first one I know is who is calling it a spinning pizza, normally people call it the beachball :-D
Regarding the beachball issue: have you installed the Apple performance improvement update and did you try the 10.6.2 update that was released recently? These updates seem to fix the beachballing for some people although 10.6.2 also seems to cause a beachballing Safari for some.

Also check out the upgrading section of the manual and the Fusion 2 to 3 upgrading document on the site (it should be on top of the list when you go to the Fusion forum).

Re: VMware - FIX FUSION 3 - NOW!!!!!!

101. Nov 10, 2009 4:30 AM in response to: HPReg
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Oct 11, 2007
Nothing I've tried works...

Re: VMware - FIX FUSION 3 - NOW!!!!!!

102. Nov 10, 2009 4:51 AM in response to: LadueSys
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Dec 22, 2004
I shut down all virtual machines before upgrading to Fusion 3. On boot-up, the new vmware 3.0 tools were installed. Is there some reason that the vmware tools 2.0 need to be uninstalled first? Perhaps you can make the tools installer take care of that issue.

The tools installer normally takes care of this issue, but we had a bug in the tools installer of the tools that shipped with Fusion 2.0.5.

The VMs are slower to load.

What do you mean by "lo load"? When you start the UI?

Once the progress bar runs its course, the Macintosh "spinning pizza" takes over. Fusion 2.0 did not cause the pizza to appear, and the pizza seems to prevent the user from doing anything else (outside of Fusion 3).

How long does that last?

The Fusion 3 application is more sluggish to quit (File -> Quit).

Yes, we are working on that.

Regarding the reappearance of the window for the last VM used, this behavior appears to be new. Preventing it is not an option in the preferences or the Window menu. It's confusing. Why did you need to make this change?

We made this change because it follows the toaster principle: you set the time, and it does not change when you load bread into the toaster, days and days after. And anybody can check the time, ad change it if they don't like it. The Fusion 3 UI behaves that way, because it is the principle of least surprise: whatever was opened when you quit the UI is re-opened when you start the UI.

We didn't introduce a preference for that behavior because we don't want to create an explosion of preferences (i.e. create a new preference every time we change the slightest thing). Our role as UI deveopers is to decide what makes sense for the majority of the users, the Apple way. Yes, it behaves differently than Fusion 2, but it behaves in a better way. Right now it is not the new behavior that annoys you, it is the change. The fear of change will wear off after a while, and you will learn to appreciate the new behavior. Trust me. People reacted the same when we changed the snapshot paradigm in Workstation 3.0 (i.e. they complained), but now they would not want to go back to the old way for anything in the world.

Re: VMware - FIX FUSION 3 - NOW!!!!!!

103. Nov 10, 2009 9:32 AM in response to: HPReg
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Nov 13, 2007

Hi,

This morning on my MacBook (2.2 GHz, 4 GB, OS 10.5.8), it took 2 minutes and 5 seconds from the time I clicked the resume button, for Win XP64 to come up. For some reason I was lucky today, the spinning pizza came up for only 5 seconds. At other times, the pizza has run for 10-15 seconds (I'm guessing here, I did not time it).

I didn't ever time Fusion 2, but it definitely seems a good deal slower.

Regarding the toaster analogy, it's more like you're loading the toast for me than remembering the last toast darkness setting. I have five VMs, and I expect to see only the window that lists those VMs, so that I can choose the one that is relevant today. When I add some function that changes an inteface behavior, I usually provide a preference setting to turn it off.

I don't want to get too much off track here, but in the same vein, you changed something with keyboard mapping in Fusion 2 from earlier versions. Now I must go to the "Modifier Keys" in System Preferences, so that my PC keyboard works in Fusion 2 / Fusion 3. In Modifier Keys, I normally have the control key mapped to be the command key on the Mac side, and I must disable this each time I go between the two environments. I've tried checking and un-checking various options in Keyboard and Mouse preferences in Fusion 2, but nothing appears to work.

Do you think that I should uninstall the vmware tools?

Thank you,

Don

Re: VMware - FIX FUSION 3 - NOW!!!!!!

104. Nov 10, 2009 10:09 AM in response to: nbe
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Oct 27, 2009
Btw, you're the first one I know is who is calling it a spinning pizza, normally people call it the beachball :-D

I have always called it a spinning pizza, as well

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