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8 Replies Last post: Feb 14, 2009 9:55 PM by JoeTowner  

Small business new environment setup recommendations posted: Feb 13, 2009 7:35 AM

Click to view billk's profile Enthusiast 84 posts since
Dec 2, 2004
We have been using vmware workstation since version 4 but have recently grown (have about 6 people all in different places using the same set of vms) where transferring the same vm to multiple employees is tedious, along with trying to figure out why a VM works on one person's laptop but not the other. It sure looks like ESXi has all the tools we need to create and manage our master virtual machines as well as copies of the masters used to simulate our customer environments.

I have installed ESXi inside of workstation 6.5 last night to get a feel for how it works and have done some reading and downloaded OpenFiler as a potential disk storage option, but frankly don't have the knowledge if that is the right approach.


We have a $5000 budget to work with and have been looking at the Dell PowerEdge 2950 III series. Do I need to pay up for the better hard drive controller cards? Should I use more Should I buy 2 machines instead of 1? I was thinking of doing 2 quad core processors and 16 GB of RAM. I am having a hard time accepting to purchase the hot swap disks
that cost many times more than the off the shelf hard drives to give us
the storage space we need. This setup would just be for internal use to develop and test things out so we can live with a little downtime.


What would you all recommend for a setup from scratch? I appreciate any insight you may have.

Click to view Formatter's profile Hot Shot 243 posts since
Jul 27, 2008
I sent you a private message.. Have a look.
Click to view khughes's profile Virtuoso vExpert 1,575 posts since
Jan 8, 2008

Not quite sure the previous poster had to send his opinion in a private message but ok... A lot of your questions have to be answered by you and what you feel your environment needs. A lot of the answers come from what you can and can't live without. OpenFiler works, I have heard of quite a few people using it, I use FreeNAS for my R/D setup which is simular I believe. If you are going to want to copy or clone you might want to look into vCenter foundation so you have the ability to do that. If you don't you can still "clone" a VM it just takes a lot more time and steps. Also along those same lines between 1 or 2 hosts... you said you don't mind some downtime so maybe 1 nice esx host will be the way to go. If you want a little more uptime 2 hosts might give you some more "uptime" especially if you go w/o hot-swap drives. How much "storage" space are you looking to have on your ESX hosts. If you're just looking to use the openfiler and not much local space then a couple small hot-swap drives might be worth it just so you can keep the server up if you have a drive failure.


Like I said a lot of these questions you have about the setup is how you think your setup should be.

  • Kyle
Click to view Formatter's profile Hot Shot 243 posts since
Jul 27, 2008

I Intended to speak with this fellow in person on the phone,, maybe an easyer way to assist in some issues that I could see, also that I think there are more items that a person would need to know about, As we all know each individual situation has many variables so I was offering my assistance but I wanted to get a fuller picture of the wanted installation.

Perry Skipton

Click to view khughes's profile Virtuoso vExpert 1,575 posts since
Jan 8, 2008

Foundation is 995$ (http://vmware.com/products/vi/vc/buy.html) For what you might be doing you might not get that much out of it, the big "nice" features come when you get HA / DRS but those are for people that have more than one host. I assumed maybe you had some form of centeralized storage, but really you can run openfiler on any hardware that has some storage attached to it, local or via cables. I'm running FreeNAS on a very old compaq server (dual P2's) with some SCSI attached storage. Its slow but it works, so technically you could get a PC with some big storage, or just get some large hard drives on your server that you would need to buy and just go all localized storage. 5,000$ is pretty low, especially when you need to buy a decent piece of hardware to run ESXi on.

As for the comment about the private message, I was just curious to see if there was some super secret way to get a low costing small business environment that I didn't know about :) You're right usually talking on the phone helps people out faster/better but also if you put your idea's out on the boards for everyone to see then people can either agree or offer different options. I'm possibly looking at trying to build a super super cheap setup for a small business client but we'll see how that works out.

  • Kyle
Click to view Formatter's profile Hot Shot 243 posts since
Jul 27, 2008
Hey no problem khughes, I normaly do post it all here but this seemed like a special case with limited funds... Yes less expensive can be better if it fits the person and job its required to do. And also unsuported hardware that works is also sometimes a worable solution also. It all depends on the circumstances.. The hardware he chose for the server I think is right on,, Storage is always a matter of what fits the usage? However maybe a chat with Dell would fit best in this case also...
Click to view andrek's profile Novice 8 posts since
Jul 21, 2005

I've managed to get ESXi up and running for AU$5k, which is about US$3.4k. All components are on HCL. At the beginning I've realised that OpenFiler/SAN will take me over budget, so I also had a requirement of no external storage.

ASUS RS160-E5 server, 2x 5420 Xeon CPU, 8Gb of RAM, 1x 40Gb HDD for ESXi installation, 3x 1Tb HDD for VM store, Adaptec RAID 3405 controller. All drives are running off RAID controller with 40Gb HDD configured as single drive and 3x 1Tb HDD are in RAID 5, giving me about 1.8Tb of usable space.

I looked at Dell originally, but price wise they were unaffordable for our budget. However, they have ESXi on board, which might be an easier way to get the box up and running.

Click to view JoeTowner's profile Novice 6 posts since
Feb 14, 2009

I'm thinking you may be better off doing a powerhouse of a workstation with accessoriues and using something like Server2 rather than ESX/ESXi.

Reasons:

cheaper - all around

consistancy with the product the 6 other people are running on their laptops

Do a monster machine, single quad core with 8gb of RAM, a few SAS disks and a raid card. Then use Server2 as your VM'ing level, and create your master VM's as you see fit. Now the kicker is to use some sort of FAST removable storage for these 6 people - like expresscard SSD's or firewire drives that these laptop users run them on. Have 2-3 sets of disks, color coded to keep everyone on the same revisions. Once you have your master - copy it out to the disks fresh and clean. If the VM's never see the real network (ala NAT or Host only) you don't need to clone or template them - just copy the folder of the VM when it's shutdown.

The next step is doing "customer mirror" disks where you actually snapshot their running enviroment (their running ESX right :) and have a copy at your office that you can work against. When you are focused on that customer, you can remote into the monster machine, power on their VMs and have at it.


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