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Mathboy2006 Novice 16 posts since
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15. Aug 15, 2008 10:41 PM in response to: Peter_vm
Re: ESXi have any guest limitation

No problems here installing from CD using ICH9R on a DP35DP (intel) or a GA-EP35-DS3L (gigabyte). We also did the same on a P5K series board at work, and it was fine.

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16. Aug 16, 2008 4:03 AM in response to: Mathboy2006
Re: ESXi have any guest limitation

Some more details since Dave linked to this on his awesome whitebox webpage:

 

 

http://www.vm-help.com/esx/esx3.5/Whiteboxes_SATA_Controllers_for_ESX_3.5_3i.htm

 

 

 

Gigabyte EP35-DS3L

 

 

 

The board works fine, including onboard SATA. I installed from a USB cdrom drive directly to a SATA hard drive connected to the onboard ICH9 (no USB key needed). I used the bios settings mentioned for the DP35DP intel board on the whitebox page: IDE mode for the SATA controller, and Legacy off (i.e. Native mode). The onboard Realtek nic isn't usable - I plugged in a Broadcom instead.

 

 

 

 

Intel DP35DP

As listed, I had no problem getting this board going, with bios for SATA set to IDE/Native. However the intel onboard nic (a 82566DC-2) didn't work. Others have tried modifying the map file and so on for the nic, but couldn't get it going, so I didn't pursue it.

 

 

 

 

Shuttle SP35P2 Pro

I tried a Shuttle SP35P2 Pro and it locks up during install regardless of bios settings (didn't try USB key). This board has the same chipset as the Intel DP35DP, and the Gigabyte above, so I was surprised it didn't just work.

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17. Aug 16, 2008 6:23 AM in response to: wizdude
Re: ESXi have any guest limitation

 

ESXi has a requirement for 2 cores?

 

 

I don't think that is correct.  Keep in mind every physical box I have installed it on, has had either multiple processors, hyperthreading, or multi-core technology.

 

Given that I have had success with several boxes running ESX 3.5 that only had a single core and didn't have hyperthreading, and I would assume the same would be true for ESXi.

 

Jase McCarty

http://www.jasemccarty.com

Co-Author of VMware ESX Essentials in the Virtual Data Center

(ISBN:1420070274) from Auerbach

 

 

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wizdude Enthusiast 69 posts since
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18. Aug 16, 2008 6:49 AM in response to: Jasemccarty
Re: ESXi have any guest limitation

the installation guide for ESX 3.5 clearly states:

 

Minimum Server Hardware Requirements.

You need the following hardware and system resources to install and use ESX Server 3.

At least two processors.

 

this is also taught in the VCP classes.

 

whether it would actually physically work on a single core with no hyperthreading enabled is probably more a case of whether its "supported" or not from a VMware perspective.

 

of course common sense would tell you that the vmkernel scheduler would have a hard time scheduling multiple vcpu's (and also the console os) on a single thread.

Jasemccarty Champion vExpert 3,886 posts since
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19. Aug 16, 2008 7:03 AM in response to: wizdude
Re: ESXi have any guest limitation

 

I agree with the standard "supported" clause.

 

And I've been to the courses... I'm one of the first 2500 VCP's.

 

I would argue, that the "requirement" for multiple cores, is somewhat contradictory of their Single Processor Licensing Policy.

 

It states:

 

 

 

Effective immediately, customers may install VMware ESX and VI licenses on

single processor, physical hosts that are included on our Hardware Compatibility List (HCL).

This includes servers with two sockets that are populated with a single processor.

Each processor may contain up to four cores.

 

That being said, I wouldn't say, that it is a limitation to have multiple processors, or multiple cores for that matter.

 

 

I understand that it wouldn't be an option to run a multi-vcpu guest with a host configured in such a way.

 

 

All I'm trying to state, is... You don't have to have more than one core for ESXi to operate.

 

 

Respectfully,

 

Jase McCarty

http://www.jasemccarty.com

Co-Author of VMware ESX Essentials in the Virtual Data Center

(ISBN:1420070274) from Auerbach

 

 

Jase McCarty - http://www.jasemccarty.com/blog/
wizdude Enthusiast 69 posts since
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20. Aug 16, 2008 7:10 AM in response to: Jasemccarty
Re: ESXi have any guest limitation

 

touche.

 

i guess the issue here comes down to the VCP course material being based on 3.5.0, and the single processor policy coming out after this.

 

but I think we've hijacked this thread sufficiently now

 

cheers, wizdude.

 

 

 

 

 

Jasemccarty Champion vExpert 3,886 posts since
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21. Aug 16, 2008 7:24 AM in response to: wizdude
Re: ESXi have any guest limitation

Updated: Scratch that... What I meant to say was... "Supported" often times does not include everything that will successfully work.

 

I would also agree, that technical courses (VMware, Microsoft, Citrix, etc) often times are "100% by the book," and don't allow for deviation, per the directives of the product vendor.

 

Kind of like when I used to moonlight as an instructor, or even my military career.... "The book says this works.... And if you want to know what else works.... See me after class."

 

 

 

I think we are on the same page... And don't let the crusty old forum guys (who haven't had their coffee, and are having to work on the weekend) spoil your experience on the forum.

 

 

Cheers,

Jase

 

 

And, my sincerest apologies to the OP for hijacking this thread.

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23. Aug 17, 2008 12:17 AM in response to: tractng
Re: ESXi have any guest limitation

You should be OK to just swap the CPU.  You will want to enable Intel VT in the BIOS should you plan to run x64 VMs.

 

Licensing is per CPU slot so you'll be fine in that regard.

wizdude Enthusiast 69 posts since
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25. Aug 17, 2008 2:28 AM in response to: tractng
Re: ESXi have any guest limitation

vanderpool technology = VT. this is the intel virtualisation which is being discussed.

 

hyper-threading is the ability to use unused cycles in an existing cpu thread. this will not exist in your new CPU. only one range of Xeon Dual Core CPU's in production now still has hyperthreading. it's non-existant in any of the dual core, core2 duo and core2 quad product.

 

as long as the CPU is compatible with your motherboard, you should have no problems with this CPU and ESXi.

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26. Aug 17, 2008 2:32 AM in response to: tractng
Re: ESXi have any guest limitation

 

i realise the Q9550 is about $100 more expensive than the Q9300, but remember that it's got twice the internal L2 cache.

 

if you are planning on running a few VM's on this box, this will make a difference in terms of performance.

 

 

 

 

 

Mathboy2006 Novice 16 posts since
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28. Aug 17, 2008 2:42 AM in response to: tractng
Re: ESXi have any guest limitation

I'm using the Q9300 with ESXi and it's working great, performance seems excellent. I haven't tried the Q9550 though.

 

As wizdude said, for 64-bit VMs you want Vanderpool Technology enabled on the "Configure advanced CPU settings" bios screen. See page 4-22 of the manual: 

 

 

 

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/P5K-E/e3216_p5k-e.zip

 

 

It may not show up unless you have a VT capable CPU installed.

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