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ESXi on Dell PowerEdge 2800? posted: Aug 14, 2008 1:51 AM

Click to view iGadget's profile Novice 7 posts since
Aug 14, 2008

First post on the VMware forums, a 'hi' to all for this and all my future postings :)

Situation: I've been given the assignment to get more out of our Dell PowerEdge 2800 than just the Win2003 we used to run on it. I've already upgraded the RAM to 5GB, so that shouldn't be a problem. We'd like to run 2 virtual hosts (small start to see if the machine can manage it, it doesn't have VT-capable CPUs), one Win2003, one Linux. This machine is used for our internal business, so stability is a must. I've looked at several virtualisation techniques, both XEN and KVM are impossible for our situation. So VMware is our only option. Someone tipped me about ESXi, so I'd like to try that.

My question: will ESXi run on our machine? I checked the compatibility list and ESX should be okay, but there's nothing about ESXi. Does this mean it is not going to work at all, or that VMware doesn't give any guarantees (because tests simply didn't take place, for example)? If ESXi is not going to work, will VMware server be able to do what we want?

Thanks in advance!

Re: ESXi on Dell PowerEdge 2800?

1. Aug 14, 2008 9:02 AM in response to: iGadget
Click to view RDPetruska's profile Guru 15,877 posts since
Jan 11, 2005
Thread moved to ESXi forum.

Re: ESXi on Dell PowerEdge 2800?

2. Aug 14, 2008 9:17 AM in response to: iGadget
Click to view Jasemccarty's profile Champion 3,806 posts since
Apr 5, 2005

Well, the 2850 is on Dave's list:
http://www.vm-help.com/esx/esx3.5/Whiteboxes_SATA_Controllers_for_ESX_3.5_3i.htm

And if I recall, the difference between a 2850 and a 2800, is basically the layout (tower vs. rack mount)

So you may have success with ESXi.

Jase McCarty
http://www.jasemccarty.com
Co-Author of VMware ESX Essentials in the Virtual Data Center
(ISBN:1420070274) from Auerbach

Re: ESXi on Dell PowerEdge 2800?

3. Aug 14, 2008 11:05 AM in response to: Jasemccarty
Click to view vaxman's profile Novice 7 posts since
Aug 12, 2007
What happens when the BMC on the PE 2800 throws an event like "it's getting hot in here" or the DRAC reports "shutdown host operating system" or the PERC reports "another one ( UltraSCSI 15K drive ) bites the dust"? Normally the CPU would be booted into RHEL or W2K3 and DELL's software on those operating systems would detect the event and possibly shutdown the system in an orderly manner (or at least write to a log file somewhere). (Also, I'm assuming the DRAC does its remote-media trick at the firmware level and does not involve the host operating system, which is a big assumption.) So the question is, how is that handled under ESX 3i on a "supported" DELL server? Is all the critical stuff just standard ACPI or is it some kind of DELL proprietary interrupt? ESX 3u must have such built-in support for the DELL machines that it officially supports and so one can wonder if that DELL support would also work with the BMC on the PE 2800, or if it would merely treat these great machines like another white box and force us to rely on the DRAC for all monitoring (rather than OpenManage) and deal with the BMC/DRAC hard-crashing the operating system during catastrophic failures. So the original poster's question about whether or not this is a case where DELL just didn't test (and so can't "officially" support) or if it's some kind of incompatibility is really important.

Also, I noticed that the PE 2800's BIOS doesn't allow the Intel VT extensions to be enabled (so no mixed 64/32 bit support under say VMware Server for W2K3 v1.0.5). Is ESX 3i capable of disregarding the BIOS and enabling this (if supported by the processors) itself?

Lastly, the PE2800 uses UltraSCSI (probably the last model to do so) with an optional external SAS rack. It also has an on-board ATA (IDE) controller that can run drives that cost a tiny fraction of what DELL charges and it supports external USB2 drives (if the host operating system can handle it). Does ESX support booting from the battery-backed-up PERC4 UltraSCSI controller in RAID1 mode as well as non-bootable ATA/IDE drives (CD and HD) and non-bootable external USB2 mass-storage (even with a reformat)? Seems like it would, but just checking to see if anyone has actually done it.

Re: ESXi on Dell PowerEdge 2800?

5. Aug 14, 2008 11:29 AM in response to: iGadget
Click to view Dave.Mishchenko's profile Guru 8,974 posts since
Nov 15, 2005
Too bad the Infrastructure Client seems to exist only for Windows (can anyone confirm this?).
Yes, that's the only option.

You do have the option to copy the ISOs to the datastore of the ESXi host. It'll be faster than using the client drive option.

I'm not sure if ESXi will let you bypass the BIOS, but for the PE 2800 it's of no use anyway.
No, this would need to be set in the BIOS.

Re: ESXi on Dell PowerEdge 2800?

7. Aug 14, 2008 12:34 PM in response to: iGadget
Click to view vaxman's profile Novice 7 posts since
Aug 12, 2007
The Windows bluescreen was in the VBox on your Ubuntu 'puter or did it happen on the PE 2800 after the upload completed? If it was on the Ubuntu side, would recommend trying (what else) VMware Server for Ubuntu instead of VBox.

Maybe you could reformat the USB drive to be in FAT32 (like a giant thumbdrive) and see if ESX 3i will support it!

Thanks for reporting your experiments!!

Re: ESXi on Dell PowerEdge 2800?

9. Aug 14, 2008 1:14 PM in response to: iGadget
Click to view Dave.Mishchenko's profile Guru 8,974 posts since
Nov 15, 2005
It's not supported, but you can enable SSH access to ESXi and then copy the ISOs directly - http://www.vm-help.com/esx/esx3i/ESXi_enable_SSH.php.

Re: ESXi on Dell PowerEdge 2800?

11. Aug 14, 2008 1:31 PM in response to: iGadget
Click to view Dave.Mishchenko's profile Guru 8,974 posts since
Nov 15, 2005
They haven't fixed it. I have a system updated to the latest (the time bomb patch) and it was Ok for SSH before and after.

Re: ESXi on Dell PowerEdge 2800?

12. Aug 14, 2008 10:45 PM in response to: iGadget
Click to view vaxman's profile Novice 7 posts since
Aug 12, 2007
. I havn't been able to get VMware player running in Ubuntu 8.04 and since Sun is offering working .deb's for Ubuntu, I havn't looked back.

My 2 cents is that VBox and Parallels are junky/unstable. But with certainty, the folks at VMware need to lower the bar a bit in their Linux hiring practices so they can get some folks in who ENJOY things like making "apt get" and the "drake" system work. I know VMware's website is abhorrent to basically the entire Twitter-generation too. (Can't believe they are trying to sell consumer software --for the Mac even! through this cold Big Blue like interface.) Really weird that VMware does not support Mac with VMware Server Console or either Mac or Linux with ESX's management interface. If they are going to slow down Xen (which was presumably the reason they released ESX 3i for free), they really need to fix this issue.

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