VMware Communities : Thread List - Virtual Appliances

Fedora Core 5 with a Nagios system monitoring tool

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:31:25 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/144

This setup helps make sure that critical machines is as little downtime as possible

Internet Content Filter

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:31:50 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/246

The Internet Content Filter uses proxy server technology to prevent families from accessing inappropriate web sites.

Ultimate Deployment Appliance

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:31:48 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/232

Deploy your favorite OS by pressing F12, bring your own ISO's, we'll do the rest

Openfiler 2.3 Appliance is driving me nuts!

Newb449 — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:23:40 GMT

What should seem simple is turning out to be an all day affair

I downloaded the openfiler appliance for vmware (32 bit) and imported it into my vmware workstation. I added another fully provisioned 20GB vmdk to the appliance. Openfiler can see the second disk but I can’t do anything with it. When I click on Volumes I see the message “no existing physical volumes were found, or all existing volumes are used. I click on the link to create a new physical volume. When I do, I see the Block Device Management Screen. I can see my second disk. When I edit I see nothing further. All the articles on the web refer to screens I don’t see. If I click Add Volume I’m back to the screen where it says I have no existing physical volumes!

I don’t understand what’s happening but it’s pretty annoying. I was hoping to use the appliance, as opposed to building one, because of its ease of use. But I can’t get it working.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Free VKernel Modeler

cchesley — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:10:50 GMT

VKernel is giving away our Capacity Modeler for free until the end of the year. All you have to do is download it from here and license it before the end of the year and it is free for you to use forever. The Modeler is similar to Capacity IQ and will allow you to run "What If Scenarios" and see the impact of adding new hosts, new vms or new configurations on your existing virtual environment.

Enjoy!!

Chris

http://www.vkernel.com

Trend Micro Advanced Reporting and Management

VMTN Admin — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:43:03 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/381463

NeDiVA (Network Discovery Virtual Appliance)

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:31:33 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/184

NeDiVA will automatically discover your Cisco network devices and gather a plethora of useful information about your network.

Looking for up-to-date Browser Appliance

askwar — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:46:55 GMT

Hello!

I'm looking for an appliance which is (pretty much) up-to-date and has the following features.

Firefox + Flash
Maybe email client (eg. Thunderbird)
Ability to connect to SMB shares of the host

It should not require lots of ram. I don't care what WM is used or what OS is used. It should be pretty light weight, though.

Is there anything you guys can recommend?

Thanks,

Alexander

Squid Proxy with DansGuardian Content filtering

VMTN Admin — Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:11:52 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/577

Simple to run Web-Based content filtering proxy.

ESX deployment appliance v0.90

brugh — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:24:31 GMT

http://vmware.com/appliances/directory/1216

ESX Deployment Appliance (EDA) is a small and easy to use appliance
that makes deploying ESX servers a breeze. It has a very intuitive
web-interface that can configure and deploy dozens of ESX servers in
minutes. It has a script-builder that will allow any admin to create
%post-scripts that will do most anything one needs to get the ESX hosts
up and running! Even if deploying with RDP/Altiris or the UDA, this
script-builder can help setting those up very quickly.

WebTitan

VMTN Admin — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:02:53 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/375173

OpenSolaris 2009.06 JeOS Prototype

VMTN Admin — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:01:52 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/375123

Fedora 9 Desktop

VMTN Admin — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:54:39 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/372983

Debian Etch 4.0 GNOME Desktop

VMTN Admin — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:55:46 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/372963

Foresight Linux 2.0.4

VMTN Admin — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:41:51 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/372923

ZOOM CallREC

VMTN Admin — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:20:52 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/371123

Ubuntu 9.10 desktop edition

VMTN Admin — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:08:12 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/371063

LeftHand Networks VSA

mplubratt — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:20:57 GMT

Hello!

Has anyone successfully downloaded and installed the LeftHand Networks Virtual SAN Appliance? The download site (http://www.hp.com/go/tryvsa) seems to be perpetually stuck.

I was able to download the OVF files from the VMware website. When I try to deploy the OVF file, I get an error that the the OVF failed to deploy with an internal server failure. I read one posting from Google that the VMDK files should probably have version=3 instead of version=1 for compressed stream VMDK files (as well as modern VMDK files). This also resulted in the failure.

I'm now at a loss for how to proceed.

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks!
Mark
VSphere 4 ESX

Virtual Appliance - Password protect.

EranL — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:50:47 GMT

Hi guy,

I have just export a VM machine as a Virtual Appliance and I wonder:
Is there any way I can password protect my Virtual Appliance?

Thanks,

Eran Levi

xampp-1.6.1-dsl-3.3

VMTN Admin — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:05:00 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/857

Xampp 1.6.1 for linux ® under the Damn Small Linux (dsl) distribution.

BitNami Tracks Stack 1.7-1

VMTN Admin — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:45:12 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/368723

BitNami Subversion Stack 1.6.2-4

VMTN Admin — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:44:01 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/368713

Spam Vigilante - Mail Filter Virtual Appliance

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:31:52 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/255

A mail proxy based on FreeBSD with spam (SpamAssassin) and virus (ClamAV) scanning. Can be used with any existing mail system.

PC'Dinnux'OS Linux

VMTN Admin — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:47:24 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/367523

Maryemi Desktop

VMTN Admin — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:24:18 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/363993

Victoria'OS

VMTN Admin — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:21:17 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/363663

PC'Belayne'OS

VMTN Admin — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:17:01 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/363583

PC'Dinnux'OS

VMTN Admin — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:15:35 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/363393

SpamCheetah OpenBSD greylisting spam filter

VMTN Admin — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:13:27 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/362683

Ubuntu 9.10 RC

VMTN Admin — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:06:32 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/361063

Are there any good secure browser appliances??

tlyczko — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:46:37 GMT

I've been asked to set up a secure web browsing environment for certain kinds of file transfers via bank websites.

I looked at the famous 'browser appliance,' but it is 3 years old!! and not maintained.

I looked at the Allardsoft appliance but it's more for email than for going to websites etc.

I'm awaiting more info from our CFO, I'm hoping secure FTP will work equally well.

My requirements:

1. A relatively small Linux or Unix appliance VM to which a few people can log in
2. A web browser contained therein from which these people can browse out, ship their file, and be done with it. Prefer Firefox because it's a bank site(s).
3. Must be easy to use.

I don't yet know the whole ACH process or source of the ACH files, I am awaiting more information etc.

Thank you, Tom

BitNami Roller Stack 4.0.1-1

VMTN Admin — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:47:16 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/361233

BitNami Redmine Stack 0.8.5-0

VMTN Admin — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:47:03 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/361223

Fedora 12 Beta (KDE) [ freshveem ]

VMTN Admin — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:06:18 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/361033

how to register for listing my virtual appliance on the marketplace

PCnetzwerke — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:25:09 GMT

Hello!

I am not sure what to do, but I am sure You can help me

I am author of a book dealing with network stuff. I finished the third version of a linux home server called siegfried which is now for the first time provided as a virtual machine.

I would like to put the machine on the marketplace and now want to register using one of the three possible ways:

Production Ready : Not possible because of non certified os (openSUSE 11.1)

Eval : siegfried3 is not an evaluation version. You can use it for free (GPL)

Community Contributed : Can my publisher or I register as a non commercial Independent Software Vendor? We are non commercial regarding the appliance, but not non commercial regarding the book.

Thanks a lot for Your time & have a nice day,

Martin

Network Management Station

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:32:04 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/310

Network Management Station

Solaris 10 global zone with 3 containers (web, app, and dba)

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:31:47 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/227

Virtual Solaris 10 utilizing Containers for N+ deployments

Linux Imperial

VMTN Admin — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:23:57 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/359573

BitNami ocPortal Stack 4.1.10-3

VMTN Admin — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:10:13 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/359523

BitNami Moodle Stack 1.9.5-1

VMTN Admin — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:02:58 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/359503

Splendor Linux G.D.

VMTN Admin — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:41:19 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/359033

PCcuban'OS

VMTN Admin — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:20:09 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/358983

BitNami MediaWiki Stack 1.15.1-0

VMTN Admin — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:18:38 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/358603

BitNami Mantis Stack 1.1.8-1

VMTN Admin — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:16:13 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/358433

COS browser appliance

VMTN Admin — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:54:45 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/356833

BitNami Liferay Stack 5.2.3-1

VMTN Admin — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:49:52 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/354383

BitNami Gallery Stack 2.3-2

VMTN Admin — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:48:38 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/354363

BitNami EnanoCMS Stack 1.1.6-3

VMTN Admin — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:47:35 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/354353

Glenda'OS Light

VMTN Admin — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:43:34 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/354063

NagiosVMA

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:32:34 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/372

NagiosVMA, service, host & network monitoring in 10 minutes.

OS Integrated Live CD Player

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:32:34 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/374

Boot an .iso image of a live CD by right clicking in on it in the file manager.

Infoblox IPAM Freeware

VMTN Admin — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:17:37 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/353553

BitNami JasperServer Stack 3.5.0-0

VMTN Admin — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:13:24 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/352163

BitNami KnowledgeTree Stack 3.6.1-1

VMTN Admin — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:52:26 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/352173

Ant'OS G.Desktop

VMTN Admin — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:44:58 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/351603

NTP (Network Time) Appliance

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:31:41 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/210

A hardened appliance, with Windows support, that will communicate with NTP servers around the world to keep current time.

MindTouch Core 9.08 - Enterprise Collaboration Platform

VMTN Admin — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:17:48 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/350843

Liferay 5.2.3 - Enterprise Portal Framework

VMTN Admin — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:12:38 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/350813

Openbravo 2.50MP1 - ERP System

VMTN Admin — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:11:25 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/350803

DSpace 1.5.2 - Open Digital Repository System

VMTN Admin — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:09:23 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/350793

minCentos53

VMTN Admin — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:39:18 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/347583

BitNami DokuWiki Stack 2009-02-14b-1

VMTN Admin — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:29:51 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/346393

BitNami Coppermine Stack 1.4.25-1

VMTN Admin — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:27:22 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/346373

BitNami Alfresco Stack 3.0-2

VMTN Admin — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:25:22 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/346333

BarbettyStar_GNOME_desktop

VMTN Admin — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:23:06 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/346243

trbdk3 PXE DBAN

VMTN Admin — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:03:16 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/68716

MyWebSFTP > Cannot connect via SFTP clent

hwbaldwin — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:03:48 GMT

Hi,

I currently have MWSFTP running and happily accepting connections via HTTP, FTP and HTTPS.

When I use an ftp client that supports SFTP and try to connect with a known user account I get an authentication failed message after accepting the default certificate.

Please let me know if you would like mw to supply any logs or other information

P.S. if I authenticate as the admin system account (i.e. not created via MWSFTP) I can log in fine.

Syslog Server

samuk — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:34:17 GMT

Is there a virtual applicance that acts like a Syslog server?

We have some netgear devices that we would like to monitor via Syslog.

Sam

Can we run Nagios on Vmware player? Which is the compatible version for vmware player for Nagios?

wlchak — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:38:05 GMT

Hi All,

Im wondering if i can run Nagios on the Vmware Player? Anyone knows if this can be done & how can i go about setting up this?

I tried to download the NagiosVMA from the Virtual Applicance MarketPlace, however, download doesnt starts & i got linked back to

the original search results page. Can anyone provide the link where i can download the NagiosVMA application?

Many Thanks for your help.

Thinsy Alfresco 3 for Active Directory

VMTN Admin — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:38:15 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/73912

Clausmark BeePRM - the flexible business database

VMTN Admin — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:55:45 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/320943

Small-Medium Business Suite Virtual Appliance

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:32:35 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/375

Small-Medium Business Suite with Sql-Ledger Accounting, Vtiger CRM, Jasper Report Server, Exponent CMS & much more

Trouble Downloading IE7-XPSP3

Beta9999 — Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:33:12 GMT

I was unable to download the Virtual Machine IE7-XPSP3.exe on my MacBook Pro. Part way through the download the screen would go black and I was unable to quit the download. I tried several times with same result. Safari and Firefox both had same behavior. I had no trouble downloading the VM on my iMac.

BitNami SugarCRM Stack 5.2.0j-0

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:57:43 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/329223

BitNami Joomla! Stack 1.5.14-0

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:56:19 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/329203

Fedora 11

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:54:07 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/328903

Browser appliance and vmware player how to download from web to PC

YuB — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:30:34 GMT

I just learned about using the browser appliance and vmware player to safely browse the web. However, since I'm a noob, how do I download files from the web and transfer it from the virtual environment to the PC?

I tried creating a shared folder, but that didn't work. It's most likely I did it wrong.

Thks in advance

Running vmware player and browser appliance on Vista

Nuke

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:31:19 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/127

A full-loaded Ubuntu-based development box

Thinsy Web Conferencing Ubuntu with Desktop Sharing, Video and Audio Conferencing

VMTN Admin — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:23:10 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/328513

BitNami LAMPStack 1.2-0

VMTN Admin — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:13:19 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/328013

BitNami Drupal Stack 6.14-0

VMTN Admin — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:10:43 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/327633

BitNami phpBB Stack 3.0.5-1

VMTN Admin — Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:06:01 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/327793

ldap server high cpu usage

sjadapa — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:31:47 GMT

VMgrurus,

I am using ldap appliance in my vmware environment. When i start search for a user in ldap server, the ns-slapd daemon takes 99% of cpu utilization.

My ldap database is indexed. VM alerts a high cpu usage of server.

Can anyone help me in find the cause for the high cpu usage of ldap daemon.

Any suggestions are highly appreciated

ClearOS

VMTN Admin — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:36:15 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/325873

ISPconfig webhosting appliance (Ubuntu server 9.04 32-bit, ISPconfig 3.0.1.4)

VMTN Admin — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:34:51 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/324933

Fedora Core 5 with a Squirrelmail webmail frontend

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:31:24 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/142

This is a linux machine with a webmail application.

Top 10 VMware Virtual Appliances for Security

pevm2008 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 04:27:43 GMT

I have reviewed several appliances in the Secure Content and Threat Management category of the VMware Appliance Marketplace to identify the Top Ten and 5 more appliances.

http://sharevm.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/top-ten-vmware-virtual-appliances-for-security/

I will appeciate you feedback.

Paul

SvSAN

VMTN Admin — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:42:01 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/323773

4PSA DNS Manager

VMTN Admin — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:40:12 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/321103

Free VPN Appliance

VMTN Admin — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:34:53 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/320963

4PSA VoipNow Professional

VMTN Admin — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:39:09 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/321073

Git Server

VMTN Admin — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:06:27 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/967

Git Server

Netwatch

VMTN Admin — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:09:24 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/223663

TopTen VMware Virtual Appliances for IT Administrators

pevm2008 — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 01:35:47 GMT

I have reviewed several appliances in the IT Administration and Systems Infrastructure categories of the VMware Appliance Marketplace to identify the Top Ten and more appliances.

Top Ten Appliances

Here are the steps I followed for selecting the appliances:

I have relied on the Average customer Rating, expressed as a 5 star, or a 4 star, etc., rating (you may wish to review my analysis of VMware's ratings)
I discarded all virtual appliances that solely package OS distributions, primarily, ubuntu, fedora, etc. My rationale is that an OS by itself provides low business value to an IT Administrator. While an IT administrator can use these just as if they were using a ghost image, these virtual appliances neither package applications in a usable form, nor simplify the task of installing and configuring the applications that provide business value. Besides, the base OS virtual appliances are available in a category by themselves
I also discarded several appliances rated 4.5 star or less, which are present in the directory but have either broken or stubbed out download links. They seem to have been retained in the directory to beef up the appliance count, however, they are not useful to the community.

I will appreciate your feedback. Thanks

Paul

Vyatta 5 - Maximum limit reached

ianz105 — Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:58:18 GMT

I downloaded and opened Vyatta 5 VM in VMware Workstation 6.52. This vitual appliance comes with 3 virtual network adapters. When I tried to add another one in Add Hardware Wizard, it says Maximum limit reached. Is there another way to do it? Thanks.

Biscom Delivery Server

VMTN Admin — Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:51:38 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/295523

RADIUS Server

VMTN Admin — Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:20:50 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/node/69328

VKernel's Optimization Pack

Alp1 — Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:03:42 GMT

FYI: I got really excited about this tool since I was able to get it bundled with VKernel's Capacity Analyzer, but it helped me to reconfigure my VM allocations, and find a bunch of storage space ~1/2 TB that I didn't know I had in my environment. After responding to a post (http://communities.vmware.com/message/1366591#1366591) I realized that nobody, not even VKernel (dunno why) posted that this product had gone into full release.

Hope it helps yall out as it has helped me. http://www.vkernel.com/products/OptimizationPack/

NAGIOS based Monitoring Solution

VMTN Admin — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:32:13 GMT

http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/330

Monitoring Solution for small business - Groundwork Opensource ready to go!

esxi 4.0

johndoe2009 — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:52:59 GMT

We need to shut down VM then the host with ESXi 4.0 . Which APC type unit would be best and compatible with ESXi 4.0 ?