VMware Communities: Message List - Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

rmac2001 — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:09:04 GMT

Hopefully my windows 98se audio story will be enlightening.
I wanted another backup computer and just for old time sake I decided to get this old 4 gig harddrive
into this old emachine 633 . I had the oem cd and got windows ME going fine .
Then I found another computer older than that but of unknown origins .
I had never had an upgrade version of win98se and had lost my 98 computer in a fire in 2001
so I obtained this 98se cd image from the internet. I burned it into a cd. Then I took the 3 gig drive
from my next project formatted it and put it in place of the drive on the emachine.
Everything installed like a charm and the generic key worked as well but there was
one little problem: no audio.
I did all of the normal things - no results . I thought AC97 was the driver i needed. still no results.
Obviously the compatible sound driver was not on the cd.
I went back to the emachine harddrive and from device manager and sound driver details i found and copied
them on paper. They were sys and ax sound driver files and I found and copied them to a flash drive. Later, when the
install wizard on the soundless drive again asked me for the windows 98se cd I instead browsed it to the flash drive .
This allowed a few of the missing files to load - but still no sound. (Previously on a video install on a different computer
I had gotten away with skipping a lot of files)
By search-engining the problem I followed the idea of finding the card manufacturer. Since it is an on motherboard
audio system,using my main computer I obtained the intel82801aa driver. When I installed this I finally got a hint of
sound - i could hear a little static when i rolled the mouse.
Determined to see this through, I wrote the names of the still missing files on a sheet of paper and obtained them
one by one from driverguide (using my main computer) and added them to the flashdrive . Then, for good measure
I placed those and the intel driver files on the soundless desktop. Now for another reinstall to the soundless harddrive
(By the way Removing prior driver isnt enough - use add/remove icon) . Results -no change.
I had wondered about system restore and how I had never seen it on win98. And guess what , it IS there IF you want
to type it in instead of clicking to it like you do in ME. So i did a system restore back to its beginning a few days earlier .
This gave me a fresh win98 on which I could make sound the priority. But this time the audio files were still right there
on the desktop. I reinstalled the intel driver and at restart there was sound!

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

Spacemumps — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 13:48:12 GMT

I have the same prob as you with Win 98. When I install via system it wants me to insert a disc rather than use the C:... location I give it. How did you get round this?
Cheers

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) working (in Player)

anibru — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:34:06 GMT

Here's the link to the driver that works:

http://us.creative.com/support/downloads/download2.asp?MainCategory=&Product=&dlcentric=1843&filename=SBPCI_WebDrvsV5_12_01.exe

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) working (in Player)

PennCreativeGroup — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:38:08 GMT

I have Windows 98 (not SE) and have been struggling to get audio to work, but I've finally got it functional.

I added the sound.virtualDev = "es1371" line to the vmx file.

Then I downloaded the 95/98 1371 drivers ("ensoniq.zip") from sound-drivers.com.

The initial install didn't seem to take, so I manually updated the driver via Device Manager. On the next reboot the rest of the Ensoniq installer kicked off automatically and installed the mixer (resides in the systray).

HTH

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) working (in Player)

Ninho — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:11:28 GMT

For what it's worth, and for the record, I've just installed the SB sound drivers to my VM running Windows 98 SE in VMware Player.

The driver set that works has filename SBPCTAudioSetup_W9x.ZIP and comprised of SPCTAUDIOSetupus.exe & SPCTW9X.LIB (date 11/02/2001).

Audio had been the only thing I missed in this VM, and now it works a treat. Many thanks to the participants in this thread !

--
Ninho

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

James Gieske — Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:40:14 GMT

FWIW, I had many of the same problems mentioned in this thread. Macbook core 2 duo. VMWF. Blue screen errors etc. when attempting to install the initially suggested driver. Downloaded and installed SBCI_WebDrvsV5_12-01.exe from Creative archives and BINGO, the sound works!

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

gryphel — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:59:52 GMT

My experience is that SBPCI_WebDrvsV5_12_01.exe
worked and SBPCI128Setupus_w9x.exe didn't
(crash on install as described), in
Windows 98 SE using VMware Fusion 1.0 (51348)
Evaluation version. Thank you Yacomo2 for
the hint here to use SBPCI_WebDrvsV5_12_01.exe.

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

Yacomo2 — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:08:10 GMT

Ha, managed to get the driver installed under plain Windows98!

This is how I did it:
- install the driver manually using the System control panel

That did the trick for me

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

Yacomo2 — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:27:42 GMT

Thanks for the information jrd4849.

Unfortunately I only have Win98, not 98SE - that driver refuses to install on plain 98 - looks like I am out of luck

Latest installer for 98 I could find was a file called SBPCISetupus_w9x.exe and that one crashes during install.

It's a shame everything else including graphics and mouse works perfectly in plain Win98.

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Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

stevezappe — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:19:11 GMT

Same problem here as well... I have an evaluation version, and this isn't helping me get a cozy feeling. Fatal exception 0E on ctpci9x.vxd, using SBPCI128Setupus_w9x.exe, as per the "solution" provided above by KevinG. I have Win98 SE.

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Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

jrd4849 — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:56:11 GMT

I have sound working in W98SE in Fusion 1.0 release version. It was installed under RC1 and continues to work in the released version. The file from Creatives download driver site that I used was:
Sound Blaster PCI (WDM) Drivers V 5.12.01.5017 . Sorry I don't have the direct link so you will need to search the archive at creative.com.

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

Yacomo2 — Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:39:02 GMT

I am experiencing the same fatal exception with the SBPCI128 driver.

Anybody managed to get sound working in Fusion V1.0 and Windows 98?

Thanks for any help!

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

lakeside — Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:37:55 GMT

Hi,

I tried that download from Creative for the SB PCI 128 driver but I get a fatal exception during the install. It's complaining about VXD ctpci9x(05)

Any suggestions for how to get around this? Is there an order I need to install this in or do I need a different driver?

The file I downloaded is http://ccftp.creative.com/manualdn/Drivers/Others/257/SBPCI128Setupus_w9x.exe

Thanks for any help.

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

GeneAm — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 02:54:23 GMT

The Creative drivers did the trick for my audio problem as well. Thanks!

I'd like to encourage support for Win98SE, and as far back as is possible.

The only reason I tried Fusion is that my Other Virtualization Product couldn't suitably run a Windows 3.1 app in 98SE. The performance was horrible with 98SE, from installation and forward.

The CPU load is still a little on the high side in Fusion, but it works well enough to work.

The app will NOT run in compatibility mode on XP or 2000... I truly wish it did.

My brother works for a big lab, and they have to run Windows 3.1 on some machines because it is the only way to run some of their equipment. Old DOS & Windows software will be out there forever, and VMware can certainly make some sales from it.

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

rcardona2k — Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:08:48 GMT

This thread may suffice.

My biggest problem with a network-connected Windows 98/SE is not Microsoft, but rather the deplorable state of security for such an old operating system.

Stuck between running an unsecure OS for obsolete software, I would find newer, replacement software.

Since you're in education, you can appreciate the case of Julie Amero, the 40-yr old substitute teacher in Connecticut who has been convicted of running a Windows 98 system infested with a pop-up malware that lead to her students seeing adult material.

Julie Amero Case: Cautionary Tale for Teachers, School IT Staff
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=169608810

Substitute Teacher Faces Jail Time Over Spyware
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2007/01/substitute_teacher_faces_jail.html

Questionable Conviction of Connecticut Teacher in Pop-up Porn Case
http://www.alternet.org/rights/46925/

Regardless of her innocence or guilt. This is case reason alone never to run Windows 98 in 2007. Windows 98, even protected via NAT is not sufficient to deal with today's security threats.

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

johnstonf — Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:30:49 GMT

i'm not sure it has to be much more than the collective steps listed here in order to get this to work... mine seems to be working quite well, but I just had to do some scouting around, and it would be nice as a single document.... not a huge investment of time.

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

rcardona2k — Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:05:56 GMT

I'm not so sure the right .PIF file wouldn't fix this problem under XP. XP has pretty incredible 9x backward compatibility.

It's not that I'm so much against Win9x, but rather realistically I question how much time the VMware test teams spends on out-of-date, out-of-service OSes.

Sure if the VMM supports it well, you can run it. Then there's the overall collective knowledge required to make 9x run. An A-Z guide for Win9x just makes me laugh and cry at the same time.

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

RDPetruska — Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:04:40 GMT

Rich, I can tell you that just a couple of weeks ago I found a need to use a Win98SE guest of mine (which I'd created a long time ago). My daughter got an older children's educational game which would not install on XP (issue with virtual memory settings). I unzipped my 98 guest onto my wife's PC (I had already installed Player on it figuring this day would come ), tweaked a few settings, installed my daughter's game, and presto! Working game, happy preschooler.

Also it's relevancy for OS X users is questionable if not dubious.

I believe the above situation could occur to ANY computer user - doesn't matter if you are running Windows, Linux, or OSX.

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

rcardona2k — Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:01:53 GMT

Have you looked at the Guest OS Installation Guide?

The Guest OS installation guide is referenced from the Fusion Docs.

If it's not included with Fusion and/or not part of the documentation for download

The above still doesn't make Win98SE a supported OS for the Fusion beta. I will be surprised if an OS that old will ever be properly supported. Also it's relevancy for OS X users is questionable if not dubious.

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

RDPetruska — Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:53:23 GMT

Is there an A-Z document for building a Win98SE VM?

Have you looked at the Guest OS Installation Guide? If it's not included with Fusion and/or not part of the documentation for download, you can look at the Workstation and Server documentation links. That guide lists known issues with individual guest OS's. As far as the virtual hardware and other common items, just read the User Manual.

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

johnstonf — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:18:56 GMT

Thanks KevinG !!!!

That worked great and was very easy. Is there an A-Z
document for building a Win98SE VM? It seems to be
difficult finding all the pieces to make it work (but I think
I'm very close!)...

I had printed all the stuff to do it the other way (editing, etc.)
but hadn't gotten around to doing it yet.

Thanks all for your contributions

Now I still have just ONE more outstanding... when I go into
ControlPanel> System> Devices> I see "?Other devices" and
under that "PCI Universal Serial Bus". I will create a separate
post for that, but if you know, please reply to that post!

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

rcardona2k — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:24:42 GMT

I wasn't very much help with his last problem, was I?

Well...that's why I said Win98 is built upon a pile of...code, and that's being nice.

I'd just as well donate some eMacs his way, if I had them vs. running Win98 VMs.

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

RDPetruska — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:22:48 GMT

Here comes the Windows 98 calvary to the rescue...

LOL! I wasn't very much help with his last problem, was I?

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

rcardona2k — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:14:25 GMT

Here comes the Windows 98 calvary to the rescue...

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

KevinG — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:14:22 GMT

You do not need to edit the .vmx file and change it to SB16
The current settings are fine. For Windows 9x you need to download the sound driver from Creative Labs.
The Sound Blaster PCI 128 driver is now located in Creative Labs archives

http://us.creative.com/support/downloads/download.asp?sOSName=Windows+98ÃÂ®ion=1&Product_Name=Sound+Blaster+PCI+128&Product_ID=1864&modelnumber=&driverlang=1033&OS=2&drivertype=1&Image4.x=27&Image4.y=9

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

RDPetruska — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:10:28 GMT

You need to download drivers from Creative Labs' site for the SoundBlaster AudioPCI card.

Re: Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

rcardona2k — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:18:00 GMT

So it's like there aren't any drivers for the Audio installed.
Any ideas???

Shutdown your VM and try changing the virtual sound device to a SoundBlaster16 card, by changing this line in your VM folder's .vmx file:

[code]
sound.virtualDev = "es1371"[/code]
to

[code]
sound.present = "TRUE"
sound.virtualDev = "sb16"
sound.fileName = "-1"
sound.autodetect = "TRUE"[/code]
Then follow the section in this link to manually add the SoundBlaster sound card driver to Windows 98
http://www.vmware.com/support/ws3/doc/ws32_vidsound4.html

Windows98 Audio (Sound Adapter) not working

johnstonf — Wed, 14 Feb 2007 04:50:03 GMT

I have Windows98 working quite nicely now, mouse, video, networking, but I am
not getting any audio!

The "Sound Adapter" is enabled (and disabled in other VM session), but still
no sound (but works in OSX and other VM (XP-PRO).

When I go into ControlPanel> System> DeviceManager> I see:
"?Other devices:"
"PCI Multimedia Audio Device"
"PCI Universal Serial Bus"

So it's like there aren't any drivers for the Audio installed.

Any ideas???