VMware Communities: Message List - Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

David.Hache — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:12:17 GMT

I have been using VMware 2.0 under windows 2003. It's running off a dual opteron HP Dl145 with 16gb of ram and it's been flawless for me. Never crashed, never did anything strange. (I am running 6 win2k3, Monowall, FreeNas, openfiler, untangle, debian, ubuntu)

On the other hand, When i use my windows Vista box (Added the URL to the trusted sites), somtimes i get an anoying issue. The Console connection is slow, so i cannot go into the Virtual bios or initiate a PXE boot as i used to be able to do with a real console.

I also have an issue when i move back and forth from the console. It will freeze and i have to hit F5 to get it back.

Vmware should keep the web interface as it makes management a breeze but use a better engine in the background to make it work. Take example on google's interfaces and it will be amazing.

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

gbjbaanb — Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:40:16 GMT

I totally agree. Keep the 1.04 Web UI, it was very very good at what it did.

In fact, if that old webUI allows me to add VMs to the inventory, then I doubt I'd need anything else. I only use the console occasionally for checking up on VM guests that either had not shut down well, or were starting up (and if I could fix them so they powered off after shutting down, I doubt I'd use the console at all).

Java/tomcat is a very bad choice, I know all the hype around Java, but I've used it in the real world. All my experiences with it shows it to be rubbish - Oracle, Orbix, Citrix, all truly awful memory hogging interfaces. I would hate for VMware to be added to this list of shame because I like the VM ware products.

Now, here's a question I don't have time to find the answer to : can I use the old web ui to view the new server????

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

aroudnev — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:50:11 GMT

Problem is not in the WEB interface; problem is in

bad WEB interface

using Java to run management service (which require a huge waste of resources)

I love old web interface - it is fast, useful, have a small memory footprint, and do exactly what it should do. If new WEB interface used the same small footprint (or at least did not use Java) and if it works well (and if InfrastructureClient was compatible, what is not 100% true - it is partially compatible only) I'd not complain. Unfortunately, it is not true for a single item on the list.

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

delfo399 — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:27:26 GMT

I agree. I don't want to have to run Tomcat in my machine just to run VMWare. One of the main reasons I moved from Microsoft Virtual PC to VMWare is because they have a web-only interface.

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

btone — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 14:55:42 GMT

ok, found it... thanks

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

Peter_vm — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 02:03:53 GMT

Search this forum. Instructions on disabling Web UI were posted here before.

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

btone — Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:56:34 GMT

It has now be almost 72 hours with none of my VM's crashing, as well as recovering almost 300Megs of RAM, since disabling the VMWare Web Access service

how can I disable web access services?
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I installed beta2 on a ubuntu 7.10 server. can connect to it via VIC using standard port 443.
Still webaccess processes are eating up my resources and are not used:

5098 root 25 0 542m 269m 16m S 0 6.8 2:19.43 /usr/lib/vmware/webAccess/java/jre1.5.0_07/bin/webAccess -server -Xincgc -Djava.util.logging.manager=org.apache.
5954 root 5 -10 481m 194m 181m S 1 4.9 22:26.79 /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx-debug -# product=2;name=VMware Server;version=e.x.p;licensename=VMware GSX Server
9402 root 5 -10 946m 74m 54m S 100 1.9 3:01.30 /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-vmx-debug -# product=2;name=VMware Server;version=e.x.p;licensename=VMware GSX Server
5220 root 15 0 130m 69m 18m S 0 1.8 2:50.82 /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-hostd -a -d /etc/vmware/hostd/config.xml

In my init.d dir there are these service which all point to vmware:

-r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 30046 2008-01-20 00:30 /etc/init.d/vmware
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2008-01-20 00:30 /etc/init.d/vmware-autostart -> /etc/init.d/vmware
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2008-01-20 00:30 /etc/init.d/vmware-core -> /etc/init.d/vmware
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2008-01-20 00:30 /etc/init.d/vmware-mgmt -> /etc/init.d/vmware

Do I have to edit config files?

Thanks in advance,

btone

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

Peter_vm — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:32:54 GMT

aroudnev wrote:

It is better, somehow, but IT IS NOT FULL. For example, you can't open (import to inventory) virtual machine using VIC.

(File menu have only New item and doesn't have any Open item).

You do it differently, by "Browse Datastore". Once you point to virtual machine folder and ".vmx" file within, you can add it to inventory.

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

aroudnev — Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:00:09 GMT

It is better, somehow, but IT IS NOT FULL. For example, you can't open (import to inventory) virtual machine using VIC.

(File menu have only New item and doesn't have any Open item).

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

archie_ismael — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:40:48 GMT

Finally! Sorted it out ! haha... I agree with delpurg... VMWare Infrastructure Client is much better than the WebUI

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

archie_ismael — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:06:49 GMT

Hi !

I have installed the VMWare Infrastructure Client in my Vista Ultimate Host Computer. I tried to log on but keeps failing with error message "Could not establish initial connection with server <server name>. Details: A connection failed occured. Does this mean I cannot make my Vista Ultimate as a host for VMServer 2.0 Beta? Any suggestions or workaround please? Thanks

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

Peter_vm — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 01:06:18 GMT

howardb wrote:
Btw, the VI Client does not (refuses to) install on XP 64 bit edition! go figure.

Apparently there is a workaround.

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

howardb — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:50:57 GMT

Btw, the VI Client does not (refuses to) install on XP 64 bit edition! go figure.

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

howardb — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:36:08 GMT

I would agree with ditching the very poor web interface, however longer term they should be able to come up with an Ajax interface that is more equivalent to the much nicer thick client. If they try and push this current interface they are going to cripple the image opf the product.

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

skatcat31 — Sun, 06 Jan 2008 07:44:44 GMT

I realize that now, after having installed it, and found n othing changed o.0

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

Peter_vm — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:12:34 GMT

skatcat31 wrote:

Linux VIX Client, 32 bit.

http://download3.vmware.com/software/vmserver/VMware-vix-e.x.p-63231.i386.tar.gz

it was on the downloads page for VMware Server.

That is VIX not VIC. It is not the VMware Infrastructure Client.

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

skatcat31 — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:11:34 GMT

Linux VIX Client, 32 bit.

http://download3.vmware.com/software/vmserver/VMware-vix-e.x.p-63231.i386.tar.gz

it was on the downloads page for VMware Server.

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

fostermarkd — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:55:03 GMT

Thirded. The simplicity and elegance of the (Linux) vmware-server-console application was the main reason I use vmware-server at all. Without it, I might as well switch to Qemu or Xen. Please don't abandon it - the web interface has always been slop.

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

LeoL — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 15:35:06 GMT

Seconded!!!

Give us a Linux Client Please............

Leo

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

Harald Heigl — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:04:47 GMT

remove the comma at the end of the link:

http://download3.vmware.com/software/vmserver/VMware-server-e.x.p-63231.i386.tar.gz

is the correct link

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

synapticfire — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:46:09 GMT

The mentioned link gives me a "file not found" now. Don't know if it's just me.

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

Harald Heigl — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:10:53 GMT

You go to the place, where you downloaded the windows-version

Download the linux version (32bit - VMware-server-e.x.p-63231.i386.tar.gz), unpack it search for VMware-viclient.exe, its the windows "Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client".

Install this file.

VMware-viclient.exe works only with 32bit Version of Windows!!

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

Chicago Gregg — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:58:04 GMT

Is the Virtual Infrastructure Manager client is part of a server package or can it be downloaded separately? I'm having some difficulties with the console under Vista and need another means of accessing the console for now. Could someone provide the url?

Thanks!

-Gregg

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

devzero — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:59:28 GMT

i`d be happy if vmware would ditch this abberation completely.
harsh words, but i like to tell what i think.
i`m especially unhappy because they discontinued the native linux console and don`t provide any equivalent replacement

Re: Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

djflux — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:55:19 GMT

One can use the VMware Infrastructure Client version 2.5 to manage Windows OR Linux VMware Server 2.0 hosts, but there is only a VIC for Win32 OS's. Those of us that run a non-Win32 OS are S.O.L.

Ditching the Web UI in VM Server 2.0 Beta: Use Virtual Infrastructure Manager Client

delpurg — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:34:58 GMT

Amigos/Amigas,

At the risk of beating a dead horse on this topic, I recommend anyone currently testing VMServer 2 Beta on a Win2K3 Host to ditch the Web UI manager, in favor of the Virtual Infrastructure Client (v 2.5). After experiencing almost 48 hours of inconsistent crashing of my converted Win2K3 VM's, I disabled the Tomcat JSP Server on my host (listed as VMware Virtual Infrastructure Web Access under Services MMC.)

After completing this, and downloading /unraring the 32bit VIM 2.5 client installer from http://download3.vmware.com/software/vmserver/VMware-server-e.x.p-63231.i386.tar.gz, I am able to successfully connect to my VM's on my Server 2.0Beta1 Host on port 8333.

It has now be almost 72 hours with none of my VM's crashing, as well as recovering almost 300Megs of RAM, since disabling the VMWare Web Access service